“I realized I’d been working more than 12 hours a day, every day, for basically all of the last 50 years. And I’m having a good time, and I’ve been lucky enough to be able to mostly do things that add energy to me rather than taking it away.”

— Stephen Wolfram

Stephen Wolfram (@stephen_wolfram) is the creator of Mathematica, Wolfram|Alpha, and the Wolfram Language; the author of A New Kind of Science; the originator of the Wolfram Physics Project; and the founder and CEO of Wolfram Research. Over the course of more than four decades, he has been a pioneer in the development and application of computational thinking and has been responsible for many discoveries, inventions, and innovations in science, technology, and business.

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  • How Stephen collects information for his vast personal archives.
  • When a situation warrants building a matrix.
  • Science sometimes makes us look far back to move incrementally forward.
  • Befriending the computational.
  • How technology helps us navigate natural language.
  • How Stephen chose subjects for his book Idea Makers.
  • On spending time with Richard Feynman.
  • Thoughts on Srinivasa Ramanujan.
  • When Stephen started solving science problems with computers.
  • Heresies today, gospels tomorrow.
  • Ruminations on the ruliad.
  • What is time?
  • What constitutes consciousness?
  • Personal infrastructure and productivity.
  • Maintaining energy in the midst of a busy life.
  • Avoiding once-inevitable sickness after air travel.
  • Making time count — in sickness and in health.
  • Parting thoughts.


“Even very simple programs can do very complicated things. That was something I didn’t expect. It was a violation of my intuition. It took me a couple of years to come to terms with the fact that that was possible.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“A big part of what I’ve spent my life doing is building this kind of computational language, which [allows us to] represent [something] computationally in a precise way. … A human could read it and say, ‘Oh, I know what that means.’ But also we have the extra boost from the fact that a computer can read it, too, and then the computer can help us to get further.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“To what extent can we translate the things we think we care about into something which can be represented computationally?”

— Stephen Wolfram

“The thing to understand about translation, ultimately, is the destination mind isn’t built the same way the source mind is necessarily built.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“There’s a certain art to doing a good computer experiment, but you can discover things that you never thought were there, and they inform your intuition and allow you to build things up. It’s this thing that comes from nowhere. Because it’s just coming, not from the natural world, but the computational world. You’re just turning over this rock in the computational world and suddenly you discover that there’s this whole crazy thing going on underneath it.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“I think I can finally say I think I actually understand quantum mechanics. And it’s just this idea of the branching mind perceiving the branching universe. I hadn’t seen that coming at all. And it’s a bizarre idea that turns out, I think, to unlock how that works.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“You can attribute different rules to the operation of the universe, but they’re convertible, in the same way as your computer can be made to run a spreadsheet rather than a word processor.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“You were asking about different human languages. That’s an example of being in different places in rulial space. So you can imagine two languages where the way of thinking about the world is very similar, they kind of correspond to nearby places in rulial space, where it’s pretty easy to translate, to travel from one to the other. Whereas very different sorts of views of the world are further away in rulial space. And that’s just a way of perhaps conceptualizing what this thing is about.”

— Stephen Wolfram

“I realized I’d been working more than 12 hours a day, every day, for basically all of the last 50 years. And I’m having a good time, and I’ve been lucky enough to be able to mostly do things that add energy to me rather than taking it away.”

— Stephen Wolfram


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